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Post by Jaffo » Sun May 26, 2002 7:14 pm

Hate to be the piglet in the punchbowl, but I wasn't too impressed with the movie. Anakin came across as a whining little brat, obsessed with Padme. And apparently the entire Jedi Council are running around blind and deaf, 'cause they're utterly oblivious of things that are so stunningly obvious. Highlights were the banter/quips popping up, Yoda, Obi, and Mace whooping hiney.

Was it just me, or was everyone else waiting for Jenga Fett's head to drop out of the helmet when Boba picked it up?
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Post by Hunter2299 » Sun May 26, 2002 9:23 pm

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Post by ASGAnne » Mon May 27, 2002 4:36 am

Jaffo wrote:Hate to be the piglet in the punchbowl, but I wasn't too impressed with the movie. Anakin came across as a whining little brat, obsessed with Padme. And apparently the entire Jedi Council are running around blind and deaf, 'cause they're utterly oblivious of things that are so stunningly obvious. Highlights were the banter/quips popping up, Yoda, Obi, and Mace whooping hiney.

Was it just me, or was everyone else waiting for Jenga Fett's head to drop out of the helmet when Boba picked it up?
LOL, I never gave a thought to his head dropping out of the helmet, but I do agree with the whining brat thing. But at least he wasn't a 7 year old whining brat this time. <g>

Love the piglet in the punchbowl analogy though! When are you going to work on the NewsFlash?

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Jango's Head

Post by Treggar » Mon May 27, 2002 2:36 pm

I wasn't expecting the entire head but I was expecting at least something to ooze out. Then again, lightsabers automatically cauterize all wounds.

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Post by Kern Renkay » Thu May 30, 2002 1:25 am

I as well agree with the Anikin being a brat. Not only that, it is as I expected, he sucks wih a Lightsaber. If they are going to make him capable of taking out all the rest of the Jedi then he better him a heck of alot stronger in 3.

Anyway, I can't wait to see Yoda in ep 3. I know he gets in at least one more battle on Degoba (can't spell it and don' feel like looking it up). To bad Mace is gonna die. And as for the klowns (clones), well lets just see how the war turns out. (I expect that little to twist even more.... Hahaha)

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Post by Lake2 » Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:13 am

I sort of guessed that one of the major transformations to Vader would take place. I figured his arm...because it was the second part of the first trilogy that Luke lost his hand.
"hey....Luke doesn't push Vader."
"Well he should have, I mean he cut off his hand"- geeks in movie can't hardly wait.
The first two happened. He let his anger turn to hate and suffering, and in his mind justified a total slaughter. He was over confident with Dukoo, but if you watched closely you saw that although at first Dukoo was really just toying with him...after breaking Annakin's second sabre, Annakin seems to concentrate a bit more...takes on a more cold methodical attack. Dukoo is forced to work very hard...and it is Annakin's lack of experience, rather than his natural ability that allows Dukoo to escape..and as you noticed when he was panting he barely escaped. However, he took Annakin's arm, which is probably a source of serious anger for Annakin in Episode 3.

Now, speaking of episode 3. I am trying not to set my mind to anything, but there are several things that seem very logical to me. For example...Annakin is going to have to get his butt kicked at some point so that he ends up wearing that rather frightening suit. My guess would be...it happens when sidious faces him off against Dukoo in order to turn Annakin to the dark side. Which of course is the same tactic he tried on Luke. And we all know what happened there. Also, Padme will have to die....and sidious will probably make sure it is Dukoo who does that damage. setting the whole thing up. But hey that's just me. And there is a LOT more to say...but I refuse to say it.

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actually...Padme...

Post by Lake 2 » Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:15 am

Padme can't die quite yet actually....
Because when Leia and Luke finally talk....Leia says she knew their mother.

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Post by Games » Sun Jun 16, 2002 10:46 am

My guess would be...it happens when sidious faces him off against Dukoo in order to turn Annakin to the dark side. Which of course is the same tactic he tried on Luke. And we all know what happened there. Also, Padme will have to die....and sidious will probably make sure it is Dukoo who does that damage. setting the whole thing up.
I'm not to sure about that I would agree with Anakin getting hiis bitt kicked but i always thought it was going to be because Obi Wan wasn't teaching him a quickly as Anakin wants it to be.

And i think they need to add more clones in the next film remember they have to power the 2 deathstars plus the extras.
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Annakin/ObiWan

Post by Lake2 » Sun Jun 16, 2002 4:02 pm

On the contrary. Obi Wan is trying to get Annakin to train harder and focus more throughout the movie. He comments on how he would be a better swordsman than Yoda if he would only focus on that instead of joy riding.
I guess I should take a stance and say that E2 is a great movie. There will always be complaints. You have to look through the things that you would do differently...simply because, well...we aren't producing the movie. Take his whininess for example. It is merely a sign of his emotional instability. There is a tug of war in him...remember his conversation with Amidala? "you aren't all powerful Annakin" "I should be". He swings through moods like crazy...he gets angry, frustrated etc. remember how he attacked Dukoo quickly? At that point he wanted to avenge the Jedi..he does have a feeling of commitment to them. But when he kills the Tuskan Raiders it was pure rage. When he complained about Obi-Wan he was venting frustration to the one person he felt he could tell. He's impatient most of the time....but sometimes as a result of Obi-Wan's council he is able to be very patient. Like when they are in that club on Corruscant chasing that first assassin on foot. "Everybody stay calm. Jedi business"
The only other thing I can think of is that Obi Wan is forced to fight Annakin and finds a way to win, or escape, putting Annakin(vader) in that suit. As you remember in Episode 4...there is a hint...
(Vader) "I feel a presence I have not felt since...."
(Vader) "So, Obiwan. We meet again."

Obi Wan is no slouch don't forget. If not for Annakin he would have been the most talented of the younger jedi. If you watch the fight in E1 closely, Obi Wan sees the mistake that Qui-Gon makes and Darth Maul killing him before it actually happens. His sense at that point had finally grown to where Qui-Gon knew it could...remember...how Qui-Gon was always trying to make him be mindful of the "living force". Meaning, not to look so far ahead and pay attention to the present.
At that moment that Qui-Gon goes for a double overhand strike, Obi-Wan became better at focusing. He gasps and almost looks as though he is going to say something, but it is too late, as he caught it only a split second ahead. It's more like a reflex not fortune telling. Darth Maul blocks, and throws the base of his sabre into Qui-Gon's face, stunning him.
So as I was saying. Before there was Annakin and Luke there were powerful Jedi like Yoda, Mace, and eventually Obi Wan. Apparently Dukoo was quite good also.

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Post by Guest » Sun Jun 30, 2002 7:12 pm

i like how the ship in the beginning, that blows up, makes propeller sounds. did anyone else notice this:?:

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Post by Guest » Sun Jun 30, 2002 7:22 pm

i like how the big ship in the beginning, that blows up, makes propeller sounds. did anyone else notice this':?:' also, anakin gets the armor after falling into lava from a fight with obi cause annie turns into vader in secret and obi learns of it. also, amidala doesnt die cause the movie takes place a few months before the twins are born.

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Post by Treggar » Fri Jul 05, 2002 9:42 pm

Anakin doesn't get the suit from falling into molten lava. That's a myth along with the entire thing happening from a fight with Obi-wan. There has been no real information released on that subject and so several rumors got started. The only hard facts about how Anakin becomes Vader are still locked up in Lucas's brain.
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Post by Games » Sat Jul 06, 2002 7:47 am

This is what i got froom www.starwars.com about Anakin Skywalker.

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A child born of prophecy, possibly conceived by the will of the Force itself, Anakin Skywalker has left an indelible mark on the history of the galaxy, leading it through periods of lightness and dark.

A child slave on Tatooine, Anakin and his mother Shmi were sold by their owner, Gardulla the Hutt, to the unscrupulous Toydarian junkdealer Watto. While in Watto's employ, Anakin learned valuable mechanical and technical skills. He earned the reputation of being able to fix anything. So technicaly inclined was he that at the young age of nine, he cobbled together a working protocol droid -- C-3PO -- to help his mother.

Anakin was a kind, selfless child. He had no thoughts of greed or malice in him. Though that is not to say the boy was docile. When his adrenaline surged, Anakin had an aggressive competitive streak. Anakin's participation in the foolhardy sport of Podracing is testament to this.

Anakin Skywalker is the only known human capable of handling the extreme speeds of Podracing. His small frame allowed him to sit in the tiny cockpit, and his superhuman reflexes gave him the advantage he needed to keep up with alien competitors better suited to the sport. Anakin's reflexes were actually the product of Force-intuition -- the boy could see events before they happened, and respond to them in kind.

Anakin's sensitivity to the Force and his racing talents caused him to cross paths with the Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn and the young Naboo royal, Queen Amidala. They were fugitives from the Trade Federation blockade of Naboo that desperately needed passage to Coruscant. In order to win the needed parts for their damaged vessel, Anakin figured into a cleverly crafted wager that depended on the outcome of the Boonta Eve Classic Podrace.

Anakin pitted his racing talents against the scheming Dug Podracer, Sebulba. The young boy ultimately bested the treacherous alien, winning not only the race and the needed starship parts, but also his freedom. He also garnered the attention and admiration of Queen Amidala, who was disguised as a simple handmaiden at the time. Despite their age difference -- she was fourteen and he, nine -- he professed someday that they would marry and carried a devoted crush on her.

Unfortunately, Anakin was unable to win his mother's freedom. Qui-Gon sensed incredible Force potential in the boy, and Anakin's bloodstream held a record number of midi-chlorians. When he departed with Qui-Gon to proceed with his Jedi training, Anakin was forced to leave his mother behind. Although a new life of adventure awaited him offworld, his thoughts dwelled on the kind and quiet Shmi.

Qui-Gon Jinn believed Anakin to be the Chosen One spoken of in an ancient prophecy, the one who would bring balance to the Force. The Jedi Council was reluctant to train the boy, feeling his future to be clouded and that Anakin was too old to begin Jedi training.

After the liberation of Naboo -- wherein Anakin bravely piloted a starfighter into the heart of the Trade Federation Droid Control Ship -- the Council rescinded its original decision, and allowed Obi-Wan Kenobi to take Anakin as his Padawan learner.




Over the next decade, the two forged a strong bond. Under Obi-Wan's careful guidance, Anakin became a confident, headstrong 20-year old with an impulsive nature and a flair for adventure. His reckless ways would often wear down even Obi-Wan's patience, but the two were close friends. In many ways, Anakin looked to Obi-Wan as the father figure he never had.
Anakin and Obi-Wan were assigned to protect Padmé Amidala, who was now Senator of Naboo, from assassination attempts possibly linked to Separatists threatening the Republic. It was the first time Anakin and Padmé had seen each other in a decade. He had thought of her everyday since their last parting, but she seemed aloof and far too occupied with the more important matters at hand.

This was a challenge to Anakin. Had he been schooled in the Jedi ways from infancy, he would have had a tighter rein on his emotions. Instead, his mind was preoccupied with thoughts of Padmé or thoughts of his mother. He had not mastered the detachment so necessary to the Jedi order.

When he was assigned to escort Senator Amidala to Naboo, where she would be sequestered from further attacks while the Jedi investigated the situation, Anakin could barely contain his emotions. In the quiet solitude amid the beautiful surroundings of a hidden Naboo lake retreat, the affectionate friendship and deeper emotions shared by Padmé and Anakin began to grow.

It was Padmé who remained pragmatic in the face of rising emotions. The two had other, larger commitments -- he to the Jedi order, she to the Republic. There was simply no time to indulge their desires.

One night, Anakin was overcome with nightmares about his mother. Defying the strict orders given him by Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin left Naboo to return to Tatooine and seek out Shmi Skywalker. Padmé accompanied him to Mos Espa, where he discovered that his mother had been freed by a moisture farmer named Cliegg Lars. Visiting the Lars Homestead, Anakin also learned terrible news. His mother had been attacked by Sand People, and she had been missing for a month.

Anakin searched the desert for Shmi, finding her in a Tusken encampment. Sneaking into her guarded hut, Anakin freed her broken form and cradled her body as she died. Again Anakin's emotions boiled out of control. He was possessed with a dark rage that controlled his very actions. Anakin brandished his lightsaber and emerged from the tent.



He slaughtered the entire encampment. Every single Tusken Raider man, woman and child died by his hand. But even that did not sate his rage. He still felt a deep hatred toward all of them.

Anakin returned to the Lars Homestead with his mother's body. In private, he confessed his actions to Padmé. Shamed at his actions and inability to save his mother, Anakin collapsed, sobbing at what he did. Padmé comforted him as much as she could.

A quiet funeral was held at the Lars Homestead. Anakin said his final farewell to Shmi, promising that he would never fail her again. Someday, he knew, he would be powerful enough to not fail those whom he loved. Perhaps someday, he could even stop people from dying.

Anakin and Padmé next voyaged to Geonosis, where Obi-Wan's investigations had taken him. Kenobi had been captured by Separatist forces, and Anakin sought to rescue him. Sneaking into a droid foundry on the planet, Anakin barely escaped the dangerous machines of the assembly line. He and Padmé were eventually captured, and joined Kenobi in an execution arena. Faced with overwhelming evidence of her mortality, Padmé lowered her emotional guard and professed her love to Anakin, a love he was willing to return regardless of the consequences.

The Jedi and Padmé were able to escape certain death from the dangerous beasts unleashed by their Geonosian executioners. The spectacle was cut short with the arrival of Jedi reinforcements, and then the opening battle of the historic Clone Wars.

Obi-Wan and Anakin attempted to intercept Count Dooku, mastermind of the Separatists, before he escaped to foment even further rebellion against the Republic. In a darkened hangar, the two confronted Dooku. Though Obi-Wan insisted they work together, headstrong Anakin rushed into the fray. Dooku nearly incapacitated him with a powerful blast of dark side lightning.

Obi-Wan was forced to face Dooku alone, but the elder Jedi Master was cleary the more-skilled combatant. He wounded Kenobi, and was ready to deliver the deathblow, but Anakin jumped in to intercept. Dooku and Skywalker dueled with fierce energy, but Dooku proved far too powerful for even the Chosen One. The renegade Jedi slashed through Anakin's parries and severed the youth's arm. Anakin collapsed, but was spared death by the timely arrival of Jedi Master Yoda, who battled Dooku.

After a brief convalesence wherein Anakin's severed arm was replaced with a mechanical one, he accompanied Senator Amidala back to Naboo.There, at a secluded lake retreat, the two were secretly wed by a Naboo holyman in a ceremony witnessed only by C-3PO and R2-D2. It may have been the start of a new life, but it was another step to Anakin's eventual destruction.



As turmoil engulfed the galaxy during the transition from Republic to Empire, Anakin fell to the dark side of the Force. Consumed by evil, Anakin abandoned his past and his humanity. He became Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith, apprentice to the evil Emperor Palpatine.

Sustaining grievous injuries at the hands of his former master, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Vader required cybernetic enhancements and replacements to sustain him. His pure innocent self seemingly lost forever, Darth Vader cast a dark pall over the galaxy, as he was one of the foremost agents responsible for the elimination of the Jedi order.


But Obi-Wan survived long enough to begin the training of Luke Skywalker -- Anakin's son -- in the path of the Jedi. The young Skywalker sought to turn his father away from the grip of the dark side. In the end, Luke stirred the spirit of Anakin that dwelled deep within the black armor, and Anakin turned against his master. Anakin killed Emperor Palpatine, but was mortally wounded in the attempt.

Aboard the second Death Star at the Battle of Endor, Anakin Skywalker lay dying. He asked his son to remove his life-sustaining helmet, so that he could look upon his long lost son with his own eyes. Having saved his son's life, and reclaimed his soul from the dark side, Anakin died and became one with the Force. His spectral form looked upon his two children -- the twins Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa -- during the celebration at Endor.
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This next bit is from the same website but know it is about him as Darth Vadar.

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Darth Vadar, Dark Lord of the Sith, was the scourge of the Jedi, a master of the dark side of the Force, and one of the Emperor's most trusted servants. He wasn't always a fearsome enforcer, however.

He began life as Anakin Skywalker, a young slave from Tatooine skilled in piloting and strong in the Force. Once discovered by maverick Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn, Anakin was taken before the Jedi Council to be trained. There was some controversy on the subject -- despite Jinn's adamant assurances that Skywalker was the chosen one spoken of in an ancient Jedi prophecy, the council was hesitant to allow his training at the age of nine.

Finally, the council agreed that Anakin should be trained, and he was assigned to Jedi Knight Obi-Wan Kenobi. Kenobi recklessly thought that he could be as skillful a master as Yoda. His mistakes had dire consequences for the galaxy.

Skywalker was seduced by the dark side of the Force. Fueled by rage and discontent with the pace of Obi-Wan's training, Anakin challenged his master to a duel. Despite newfound power bestowed by the dark side of the Force, which added to his already formidable abilities, Anakin was grievously wounded in the fight. His burning anger kept him alive, and he was forever scarred not only by his wounds but also by betrayal. He abandoned his former identity. When metal coupled with flesh in the form of cyborg implants and enhancements required to sustain him, Skywalker's transformation was complete. He was no longer Anakin. He was Darth Vader.

At the time of his transformation, Vader never knew he was due to be the father of twins. Obi-Wan Kenobi hid the children from the Dark Lord and Vader's master, Emperor Palpatine. Vader somehow discovered that he had a son, Luke Skywalker, but never suspected he had a daughter, Leia, who was secretly taken to be raised by Bail Organa, Viceroy and First Chairman of Alderaan.

In the chaos that accompanied Palpatine's rise to power, Vader became one of the Emperor's most loyal servants. The Emperor entrusted him with the elimination of the Jedi Knights. During these dark times, Vader and his agents destroyed the Jedi order.

When the Galactic Civil War raged across the Empire, Darth Vader was tasked with discovering the location of the Rebel Alliance's secret base. Vader captured Rebel operative Princess Leia Organa and had her tortured to reveal the location of the hidden fortress. Vader also sought technical plans stolen by the Rebels. These plans carried the complete schematics of the Empire's most powerful weapon, the Death Star battle station. When a rescue team successfully liberated the princess, Vader found himself face to face with his former master, Obi-Wan Kenobi. Vader defeated the aged Jedi Knight in a lightsaber duel.

Using the stolen plans to pinpoint the Death Star's weakness, Rebel forces launched a starfighter attack on the station. Entering the battle, Vader piloted his own specially modified fighter. He managed to destroy the most Rebel pilots in the battle, but was forced out of the conflict when his own vessel was crippled by the Millennium Falcon.

Three years after the destruction of the Death Star, Vader led an elite squadron of Star Destroyers headed by his flagship, the Super Star Destroyer Executor. He was to seek out and capture the Rebels responsible for the Death Star's demise. Eventually, Vader tracked the Rebels down to the ice-world of Hoth. There, he launched a ground attack destroying the base. His quarry, the Millennium Falcon, escaped.

During the Hoth campaign, the Emperor commanded Vader to track down the "son of Skywalker," and have Vader turn him to the dark side of the Force. Vader planned to use Skywalker's friends as bait to lure him into a trap. He hired a motley gang of bounty hunters to track down the Falcon, and drew Luke to Bespin's Cloud City. He and Luke clashed in a lightsaber duel that Vader won by ruthlessly severing Luke's sword-hand. Vader then revealed to the broken young Jedi that he was his father, and that they would rule the galaxy as father and son. Luke refused to succumb to the dark side, and escaped his father. Vader was left empty-handed.

After these incidents, Palpatine reassigned Vader from the Imperial fleet, and instead put him in charge of overseeing the new Death Star operation. The Emperor began to distrust his once loyal servant. Vader's contact with his son sparked something within him, something the Emperor did not like.

Palpatine was scheduled to arrive at the second Death Star. The Emperor foresaw that Skywalker would come before the two, and then they would seduce young Luke to the dark side, just as Anakin had been drawn to its power decades earlier.

When Luke surrendered, and was taken before the Emperor, Palpatine pitted father and son in a lightsaber duel. Skywalker refused to fight and give into the temptation of the dark side. Vader, probing his mind, learned of his daughter, Leia Organa. He threatened to turn her to the dark side. At this threat, Luke gave into his hatred and attacked his father. In the ferocious assault that followed, young Skywalker nearly killed Vader. Horrified by what he had become, Luke abandoned his new found dark side rage, and refused Palpatine's offers of power. "I am a Jedi, like my father before me," Skywalker proudly claimed.

Palpatine unleashed a deadly barrage of dark side energy on the young Jedi. Lightning bolts spawned from pure evil tore into Luke's body with searing pain. Vader stood helplessly, watching his son writhe in agony from torture delivered by his master. Unable to watch anymore, Vader turned against his master. He grabbed a surprised Palpatine from behind, hoisted him above his head, and tossed his evil master down a bottomless reactor shaft. Vader was bombarded by the Emperor's Force lightning, mortally wounding him.

As he lay dying, Vader ceased to be. Anakin Skywalker returned. He asked his son to remove the cumbersome, fearsome mask that had concealed his face for decades. His mask and life support removed, Anakin looked upon Luke for the first and last time. He then died, his body disappearing into the light side of the Force. Luke burned the dark armor that had encased Anakin's crippled body in a quiet funeral pyre on the forest moon of Endor that night.
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Post by Treggar » Sun Jul 07, 2002 12:14 pm

Games wrote: Sustaining grievous injuries at the hands of his former master, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Vader required cybernetic enhancements and replacements to sustain him. b][/b]
Everything before this sentence and most of everything afterwards has something to back it up. Everything before this sentence is straight out of the last two movies. Everything after is straight out of the last three movies, but not once has anyone mentioned how Darth Vader became Darth Vader. This first trilogy is all about how Anakin fell to the Dark Side and George Lucas has banned anything from being created about this concept except his movies which are just now being released.
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Post by Hunter2299 » Sun Jul 07, 2002 6:13 pm

Treggar wrote:
Games wrote: Sustaining grievous injuries at the hands of his former master, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Vader required cybernetic enhancements and replacements to sustain him. b][/b]
Everything before this sentence and most of everything afterwards has something to back it up. Everything before this sentence is straight out of the last two movies. Everything after is straight out of the last three movies, but not once has anyone mentioned how Darth Vader became Darth Vader. This first trilogy is all about how Anakin fell to the Dark Side and George Lucas has banned anything from being created about this concept except his movies which are just now being released.
Actually the Novelizations of the original Star Wars Scripts said that, I.E. what the movies would have been if everything scripted and shot had been in there instead of dropped on the cutting room floor.
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